Rogério Lobato regressará em Dezembro

A Ministra da Justiça, Lúcia Lobato informou os deputados, no Parlamento Nacional, sobre a situação de saúde do prisioneiro Rogério Tiago Lobato, na Malásia.
“Venho informar os deputados sobre a situação de saúde do prisioneiro Rogério Lobato, na Malásia. Qual é a condição de Rogério Tiago Lobato, na Malásia, se precisa de mais algum orçamento para o efeito? Portanto, venho explicar ao Parlamento Nacional”, afirmou a Ministra da Justiça.
A Ministra esclareceu, que segundo o relatório médico, a equipa médica ordenou mais quatro meses de estadia de Rogério na Malásia, a partir da data em que foi operado, desde Agosto até Dezembro.
“Até à data continuamos a acreditar no relatório que recebi dos médicos porque são informações médicas, deste modo, o relatório continua válido. Portanto, peço aos deputados que desejam ter um conhecimento mais detalhado das informações, que enviem uma delegação do próprio Parlamento, para se deslocar à Malásia, afim de verificar o estado de saúde de Rogério Lobato “, pediu a Ministra Lúcia.
Não há pedido de orçamento
Em relação ao orçamento, a ex. deputada da I Legislatura explicou que até à data ainda não houve qualquer pedido de aumento do orçamento por parte do Rogério Lobato. Portanto Rogério Lobato continua a usar o orçamento de 30 mil dólares americanos despachados para o efeito pelo Governo anterior
“ Se não pede significa que não precisa do aumento do orçamento e o orçamento dado foi suficiente para ajudar Rogério durante a sua estadia, na Malásia”, salientou.
Mas da sua parte aguarda que daqui a mais alguns dias possa obter um relatório mais completo do próprio Rogério. O próprio prometeu que faria um relatório sobre as despesas do orçamento através do seu advogado.
“O Governo ainda não tem aprovado qualquer orçamento para o Rogério e se houver algum pedido, vamos ver o relatório de despesas e depois pensaremos nos seus mecanismo”, explicou a Ministra Lúcia.
Esclareceu ainda que o regresso de Rogério a Timor-Leste não será uma decisão do Governo mas sim baseado no relatório médico, da equipa médica, após a segunda operação que o Rogério Lobato realizou na Malásia. O Governo continua atento ao Rogério através da Embaixada de Timor-Leste, na Malásia, afim de acompanhar o seu estado de saúde.
Continua como prisioneiro
Em resposta às preocupações do deputado Mário Carrascalão se Rogério Lobato permanece ou não com o estatuto de prisioneiro? Lúcia Lobato esclareceu que apesar de o ex. Ministro do Interior, Rogério Lobato ter tratamento médico na Malásia, o mesmo continua com o estatuto de prisioneiro.
“Rogério Lobato está a fazer tratamento médido, na Malásia, mas o seu estatuto permanece como o de um prisioneiro. Contando os dias em que Rogério se deslocou à Malásia, para se tratar, o mesmo terá de completar 7 anos e 6 meses de prisão”, garantiu a Ministra Lúcia Lobato. JNSemanário.

Timor's unpredictable rebel

4 November 2007

THEME

Chris Bullock: Today we're driving deep into the mountains of East Timor, to a secret location, to meet the rebel and self-styled 'folk hero', Alfredo Reinado. He's young, only 38, and he was in a detention camp in Australia for a time, before settling with his family in Perth. At the time of independence his mentors in the Australian military identified him as a possible future commander of East Timor's armed forces.

Instead, today he has a small band of loyal, armed followers moving between hideouts in the jungle. Alfredo Reinado says he has lots of support among civilians. Just how much support is unclear, but the government of East Timor remains anxious about his potential to be a focal point for further political violence.

From time to time he will agree to speak, as he does on this occasion for Background Briefing. I'm Chris Bullock, and I was with him a couple of weeks ago ...

Apart from a very brief stint under arrest, Alfredo has managed to avoid capture for 18 months, but he says he's not a fugitive ...

Alfredo Reinado: That word that you say, fugitive, I'm not a fugitive. My duty as a military is to guarantee the security and stability for my nation. That's my task, that's my job. I'm quiet sitting there waiting for one day maybe they do something different for the nation.

Chris Bullock: How long are you prepared to wait?

Alfredo Reinado: Long as my life, this is my home.

Chris Bullock: Alfredo is accused of murder during the riots and counter attacks that followed the Fretilin government's sacking of half the Timorese army, last year. There is an outstanding court order for his arrest and he has already survived an operation against him led by the Australian Special Forces. Alfredo says, he lives to protect his country and he wants justice, but he is a marked man ...

Alfredo Reinado: I don't care anything for me, my life's in danger, I'm like a dead man walking, I don't need anything for me. Why you have to ask me? Forget about me.

Chris Bullock: He is described as the country's most wanted man. But is he? He was when the SAS tried to capture him earlier this year. Now the Australian commander in East Timor, Brigadier John Hutcheson, doesn't seem to think so ...

John Hutcheson: I'm not engaged in any operations against Alfredo. Alfredo of course will be treated like any other East Timorese citizen and at the end of the day, if he is found to be carrying weapons and so on, he will be detained and disarmed at that point, the same as any other citizen would be.

Chris Bullock: And while the Australian military commander says he is no longer pursuing Alfredo, the country's President, Jose Ramos Horta, says he's arranged special negotiations, and has personally met with the rebel ...

Jose Ramos Horta: Well, I was in touch with him, I visit him about a month or so ago, had a very amicable conversation, and my argument or reason for going - because some people say the president should not go and look for a fugitive - and I said, well I view my role as Christ said, you know, I go and look for the lost sheep. So he is a human being, he is somewhere in the mountains, he wanted to talk with me, he asked to talk with me, so there I went.

Chris Bullock: Jose Ramos Horta's words are soothing and biblical, but Alfredo Reinado says he remains deeply suspicious of the president's motives.

The story behind all this is complex, but briefly this is what happened. East Timor has a number of human fault lines - political, tribal, and language divisions. In April last year about 600 Timorese soldiers went on strike and were sacked. Riots followed in Dili, and the government used what remained of the army to surround the rebellion. People were killed, and Alfredo decamped along with some other military policemen, into the hills, where he fought against government soldiers.

Alfredo set himself up in opposition to the FRETILIN government, and now the government has changed, he rails against what he says is a corrupt justice system.

Following the presidential and parliamentary elections in the middle of this year, President Ramos Horta and Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao abandoned the military pursuit of Alfredo Reinado. President Horta now seems confident he is ready to surrender ...

Jose Ramos Horta: He is now extremely quiet, I have engaged a Timorese NGO, engaged a Swiss based group, NGO, to engage him in dialogue and to bring him into a cantonment, and then he said emphatically to me and to his lawyers, to the Swiss NGO, that he is ready to then surrender the weapons and surrender to justice.

Chris Bullock: However Alfredo, when speaking to Background Briefing, prevaricates. He doesn't see why he should hand in his weapons, and he doesn't think there is such a thing as justice in East Timor ...

Alfredo Reinado: We have that very bad judicial system in our country, so I'm not going to answer to the judicial sector or judicial system. I answer to my nation, my country.

Chris Bullock: What did you say to President Horta?

Alfredo Reinado: Lead well. Because I tell them face to face, like other leaders, I respect them as they are personally, they are our heroes, they keep that in our heart, deep inside we respect that for this independence. But independence is one thing, to the keep the independence continue that's another things. So I tell him face to face that I didn't adore anyone and I didn't have sympathy for the personal, I'm sympathy with what things happen on the ground and how you lead properly in the heart of the people.

Chris Bullock: Don't you want to put down the gun at some point?

Alfredo Reinado: Why I have to put down, I'm a military I have to put down for what. Listen to me, why they didn't go to disarm those armed civilian everywhere in the country, why they didn't go do that. You see Australian force here, UN force here, Portuguese force here, and we have our own institution, but not even a single weapon they confiscated. They can't even get anyone, until now they still free everywhere. And they didn't feel comfortable about that. Why have to be me. If I give my weapon to guarantee the stability, I've already done that before. But I need this weapon that is not owned by anybody up there, not owned even by the president, not even owned by Australia neither, I tell you it is owned by the people and I using that to protect the people, and I have a right to carry that compared to those illegal ... and I have more right for those leader, some of those ministers who still have the weapon in their house. Which one have more right and you ask me to lie down my weapon, I done that before, everything I done, you want I go to jail, I go, lie down my weapon, I lie down, you want to talk, I talk, you want to fight, we fight, what else?

Chris Bullock: Don't you want to live a life that is not on the run?

Alfredo Reinado: I'm not running, nobody after me, I'm not running, I'm everywhere you see. You come see me in village, civilians everywhere, I think they the one is on hide, not me.

Chris Bullock: Alfredo is a charismatic figure. His supporters see him as force for stability in East Timor. His opponents see him as dangerous - a threat to stability. This program hopes to shed some light on the man President Horta calls 'the lost sheep".

Alfredo agreed to let us record the interview on video, and if you'd like to watch the video, and to see pictures of him at the interview location, you can go to the Background Briefing website, or to the Late Night Live website, via ABC Radio National online, and click on the links.

In Timor, unresolved political tensions and old enmities are never far beneath the surface.

In the middle of last year, SBS-Dateline journalist, David O'Shea and his Timorese colleague, Jose Belo were caught in the middle of a gun battle between Alfredo's men and government soldiers - the F-FDTL ...

Alfredo shouting at FFDTL soldiers ... then gunfire

David O'Shea: Reinado insisted he'd fired in self defence, but I was there and I clearly saw and heard him shoot first. The soldiers who were fired on that day said the attack against them came out of the blue.

Chris Bullock: A few months after that encounter, Alfredo agreed to surrender weapons in exchange for a guarantee of protection. When he came to Dili, he was arrested. Then, under obscure circumstances, he escaped from jail in Dili. Apparently, he just walked out!

For several months Alfredo moved around in the rugged mountains and hinterland of the south and west of the country. He was often seen in and around the southern town of Same, where he had many supporters. He was in touch with Australian soldiers and the UN. Not everyone in Same was happy - stories are that he and his men intimidated the local authorities and commandeered cars.

The final straw for the government was when he took weapons from a police border post. The parliament asked for the help of the Australian Special Forces to bring him in. The Australian military commander in East Timor at that time was Brigadier Mal Rerdon - who spoke to the ABCs Foreign Correspondent ...

Mal Rerdon: He was operating in a large armed group and denying the people of Same their freedom and their rights, and we've stopped him doing that. We've given back the people of Same their freedom. Our soldiers are highly trained, they've been conducting their operations in a very professional manner and they had a great deal of understanding of the need for a sensitivity and respect for civilians when they're conducting their operations.

Chris Bullock: That said, five of Alfredo Reinaldo's followers were killed, but Alfredo himself escaped. There were accusations that the government and the Australians had over-reacted. Jose Ramos Horta insists they did not.

Jose Ramos Horta: It was an operation that was necessary, necessitated by the actions of Mr Alfredo Reinado. Talks were underway even with the UN, with the attorney general, then suddenly in a surprising move Mr Alfredo Reinado went to the border, confiscated more weapons from the police. What would a state do, sit back and watch? Attempts were made for several days for him to surrender his weapons and surrender himself. He failed to do so. Anywhere in the world such measures would have been taken.

Chris Bullock: The new government of Timor is clearly frustrated that it can't end the stand-off, but at the same time doesn't want to trigger a violent reaction by going after him.

Up in the mountains, Alfredo portrays himself as a folk hero. He says he's doing the government a favour by keeping the peace in the western districts.

SFX DILI DAWN

Chris Bullock: It's just before Dawn in the capital Dili. I've been in East Timor working on a series of programs for Late Night Live, and at the last moment we received word that Alfredo had agreed to meet at an undisclosed location, several hours drive away.

We're told to head out of Dili and meet up for further instructions at a town about 2 hours away. East Timor is dominated by steep hills and rugged mountain terrain, which proved so difficult for the Indonesians and Portuguese to tame. It makes for very slow, winding road travel.

We arrive at the first stop - a town market - where our guides have stopped to get supplies for Alfredo's group - rice, dried fish, biscuits, and cigarettes.

Then we're off again, having agreed to meet a further 2 or 3 hours drive away.

With me in the car is our interpreter, Ceu - an East Timorese woman of about 50. She was an active member of the resistance for many years, and started the NGO, Timor Aid. Ceu knew Alfredo from his time in Australia.

We make our way slowly around the contours of imposing mountains, passing through villages that cling to their slopes, and then down into the valleys.

At one point Ceu asks to stop the car, and we get out. This is the place, she tells us, that local people named 'Jakarta', during the years of Indonesian occupation ...

Ceu: This place is called Jakarta because when the Indonesians were picking people early in the morning, they said, 'We're taking you to Jakarta', so they dumped them here.

Chris Bullock: Just describe where we are.

Ceu: We are standing on the edge of the road, and in front of us we have a deep ravine, two hills on both sides, and you can hear water, the river, and the reason they dumped them here first because it's very steep, very deep, and that they hoped that the water, given the rainy season, when there is more water than now, and the river is quite big, so it would wipe out the bones -

Chris Bullock: Took the bodies away.

Ceu: Took the bodies away. And also the remnants, those they couldn't take away, they hoped, no they expected it with the passing of time, even the bones would be washed away.

Chris Bullock: We're standing on a cliff edge effectively, and you can see it would be very difficult for anybody to go down there to recover any bodies. It would be very difficult to go down there to help anybody who might be still alive down there.

Ceu: Well people didn't know that the Indonesian military dumped bodies here.

Chris Bullock: When did they discover this?

Ceu: They discovered this because Timorese people were down with the goats, through the cutting there is a village on the other side of this ravine, and kids play. So during the dry season, people come down to fetch water, deeper and deeper into the ravine because the water recedes. That's how people discovered some bones and they spread the word around and they said, 'Ah, so those people, they have taken away and said they were sent to Jakarta were here.' And then with time, yes, people started paying attention to trucks at night, any particular noise at unusual times, wee hours in the morning, and then according to the local population, they have seen coming onto trucks, dumped bodies at night and they say 'Oh, goodbye, see you in Jakarta', something like that, making fun of it. And sometimes when you pass by, you'll see a lone candle, one or two, some flowers, and people remember the family members of this area. In Timor, so many beautiful places are marred with tragedies you know. The stain of violence and genocide in such beautiful places, it's terrible.

Chris Bullock: Above us the first clouds of the build up to the wet season are rolling in, alternately obscuring and then exposing a soaring craggy peak in the background - the summit of a mountain that looms large in the local folklore ...

Ceu: It's called Mt Ramalau and it means a lot to East Timor y'know because of the height, but also the church wanted to reinforce the mythology, so ten years ago the church invited the whole population to go to Mt Ramalau and put a cross on the peak of the mountain. Indirectly it was a message to the Indonesians that this is a sacred land, this is a Christian or Catholic land, and since then every year, every year there is a pilgrimage to celebrate that particular event.

Chris Bullock: And of course Ramalau was also significant in terms of a hiding place, a place that shielded the resistance leaders for many years?

Ceu: Yes, because the base of Ramalau is very wide. From Ramalau you go to Ermera, to Same, you can go to Ainaro, there is a huge vast area, very fertile, surrounding the mountain so when the guerillas come to Mt Ramalau it was a way to come together to a place where they could gather food, and particularly after the wet season.

Chris Bullock: It is an irony not lost on the former guerillas now leading the country that they themselves are having to deal with a rebel hiding in these mountains. And it is an environment that Alfredo likes to claim as his, in the tradition of those that went before him.

We drive for another hour and a half.

The road changes from a good bitumen surface to a tortuous, pot-holed remnant of a main road - courtesy of the annual wet season and a lack of maintenance.

Finally, we're told to stop and park the car in some thick bush, before walking up to a hilltop clearing.

At the top, some large palm fronds have been placed on the ground under a tree, forming a soft green carpet over the dry, stubbly grass.

Alfredo is clean-shaven, with a fresh haircut and nicely pressed fatigues. Along with his handful of armed sentries, he seems quite relaxed.

Commonly referred to as 'Major' Alfredo, he begins by explaining that's not his proper rank ...

Alfredo Reinado: Actually people are confusing my rank, I'm a Lieutenant Commander, I'm navy.

Chris Bullock: So Would you like me to call you Lieutenant Commander?

Alfredo Reinado: I would prefer that way, yeah, cos that's what I am.

Chris Bullock: In fact Alfredo has three berets - he has qualifications for the infantry and the military police, and he was, briefly, the commander of the East Timorese navy, which comprises two patrol boats donated by Portugal.

Alfredo is familiar with the sea. As a child he went to Indonesia, where he grew up in the fishing communities of Sulawesi and learnt the traditions of seafaring - in 'the nature style', as he calls it.

Later, back in East Timor, he joined the resistance against the Indonesians, and his seafaring skills became useful. In the mid nineties, He was asked to skipper the first East Timorese refugee boat to Australia ...

Alfredo Reinado: When I go there in 1995 it was because of order from my superior to go there to become as a refugee for some politic need, to help and support our guerilla fighter from outside and get more experience and get more support from the Timorese that in Australia

Chris Bullock: So you were asked to go to Australia?

Alfredo Reinado: I been asked to go there, by the wooden boat. There is about 18 of us, including my baby, my older son about 5 months old at that time, and I take this order cos I was saving some of my friends life and some of the ex-prisoners, some of the them is clandestine and been after by the Indonesian military, and we taking some secret letter for our friends that live in Australia, and so I just doing my job.

Chris Bullock: Was it an easy trip or a difficult one?

Alfredo Reinado: It think its not an easy one because it depend on the condition of the boat that you have, I didn't even have any map or any GPS or any compass with me, but I believe in my nature style that I learned in the traditional way of sailing, so I used this knowledge to get there.

Chris Bullock: On arrival in Australia, he was put into a refugee centre - and subsequently he and his young family lived in Melbourne and Perth. His wife and child are still in Perth, along with extended family members.

Alfredo Reinado: I have a family, I have my sisters and my father is also in Perth and my aunty who come from the Portuguese family.

Chris Bullock: Are you able to maintain any contact with them?

Alfredo Reinado: Always, yes.

Chris Bullock: You're able to talk to them on the phone?

Alfredo Reinado: Always, yes, always talk to my wife and my kid over there, always to them every night, mostly.

Chris Bullock: Every night?

Alfredo Reinado: Yes.

Chris Bullock: No matter where you are?

Alfredo Reinado: No matter, this is the first thing you have to do.

Chris Bullock: Alfredo is still young - 38 - a generation younger than the group who now govern East Timor.

His life has been that of a rebel and adventurer, sailing leaky boats across the seas, joining the resistance, becoming an asylum seeker, then returning to help rebuild his country. He came back to Australia for military training and at the time he defected, last year, he was a military police commander in Dili.

Now - at his hideout - he's constantly adjusting his thinking about what should happen next. The rhetoric has shifted as he seeks an outcome on his terms.

What he wants, he says, is a reformed justice system and he will not face court for his alleged crimes until that happens. He no longer wants the Australians in East Timor. He sees FRETILIN, the former governing party, as his main enemy, and while he says he respects both Xanana and Ramos Horta, he also says they have betrayed him and used him as a fall guy.

Most of all, he says he's always acted in the best interests of his military colleagues, and his country. To the government of East Timor, Alfredo continues to be at least an irritant, at worst a source of rebellion. The longer he remains at large the more he appears to be beyond the reach of the rule of law.

As you'll hear he is passionate, angry, and he can be evasive. He also has a sense of humour. Surrounded by his armed protectors, whose mobile phones went off on several occasions, Alfredo began by describing why he joined the rebellion against the army, last year ...

Alfredo Reinado: We have to protect each other, and you see on the 28th they have been massacred, so I as a military police I have to stand up, because this is my duty as a military police to stand up, cos you using a force against a group of people that unarmed, against a institution member that criticise or complain for their right. So I have to stand up because if you have any problem between the military, the right unit you go to is the MP unit, but they didn't give the order to me so I just stand there and watch while they massacred the others, so I had to stand up and say this is no good this is not the way it is.

Chris Bullock: Tell me about the circumstances of your surrender, you were in prison very briefly and then you escaped from prison?

Alfredo Reinado: The word surrender is not correct because maybe you read a lot of things on the internet, because all these are propaganda and for the interests of somebody else ...

Chris Bullock: What do you call it?

Alfredo Reinado: I never surrender to anyone. The day they arrest me on the 25th of June it is because I had been authorised by the president to go down to Dili to see how to solve the crisis, because the President guarantee before that to me in writing that when I hand over my weapon maybe will guarantee to solve this crisis, even though he know that not me the one pulling the trigger to start this crisis. I go there and they arrest me one day later. And the president didn't say anything about that. So you can see how we can trust anyone at the moment, even the leader of the nation.

Chris Bullock: How did you get out of jail in Dili?

Alfredo Reinado: I just walk out from the door that I get in, I didn't do anything wrong.

Chris Bullock: People will find it very strange that you can just walk out of a prison door?

Alfredo Reinado: Very strange because this is a public prison and you put military, more than 10 military that are well trained, MP, and you put inside, we can teach them how to arrest people and look after people, but they can't look after us. The New Zealand military always have security outside and checking me all the time, hour after hour, always check me in my jail, but somehow you manage it, without harming anyone, without threatening anyone, nothing. I just tell them that I want to go out. They let me go ...

Chris Bullock: You had support there, obviously?

Alfredo Reinado: Oh you can't say support, but I never harm anyone or harm any civilians.

Chris Bullock: What happened at the police border post with the weapons? Were they handed to you voluntarily, did you confiscate weapons, what happened?

Alfredo Reinado: OK, they handle it voluntarily .

Chris Bullock: Why did you need them?

Alfredo Reinado: Why I need them because when my weapon been given to the president, all of my weapon, the president guarantee that this crisis would end. So I already give it to them but no guarantee it. You see what happened in Dili? Getting worse, the gangs is everywhere, And that time is illegal weapon with the Fretilin group is everyday is more and more. They have a lot of group everywhere, even I am part of the enemy, there are orders from those groups to kill me, so how I can save myself.

Chris Bullock: So what you are telling me is you were given those weapons by a police unit, they volunteered those weapons to you?

Alfredo Reinado: I explain to you. So based on that threat that I have so I have to go to where to find a weapon. And you know that border police, that's the one involved in the crisis also because those weapons that been issued to the illegal group, that being armed by the Fretilin party, all the weapon come from the border police, so I think it is the right place for me to go get some too for me ...

Chris Bullock: These are Indonesian weapons?

Alfredo Reinado: No, this is the weapon that's been donated from Malaysia to the border police, altogether is 180 and been given to the border police, so I go there also to get only a number..

Chris Bullock: How many weapons did you have, were you given?

Alfredo Reinado: Ah, eighteen from the two border that I go and I never harm anyone, nobody been pinched or punched or anything, we go there and drinking coffee and have a nice talk and say there we go. And I took a weapon to protect those victim and the people that have been threatened everywhere in the district by these illegal groups, so I have to protect them, and this is my duty as a military to do so.

Chris Bullock: Although Alfredo said his group took the guns for self-defence - in a friendly handover with a cup of coffee - the government in Dili decided it had to act. This was several months after Alfredo had escaped from jail and there had been concerted efforts to negotiate another surrender. But in the words of the then Prime Minister, now President Ramos Horta ... 'he confiscated weapons from the police, what were we supposed to do, stand back and watch?'

They didn't stand back and watch, they called in the Australian Special Forces.

Alfredo repeats some extraordinary accusations about the actions of Australian soldiers towards wounded members of his group. Five people died, and Alfredo insists many of the victims were not armed fighters ...

Alfredo Reinado: I tell you, many of the guys died there or injured is a civilian, unarmed.

Chris Bullock: They weren't armed with weapons?

Alfredo Reinado: They didn't have any weapons, in a civilian dress being shot by the Australian special force, they shoot these people unarmed and they break their necks while they injured ...

Chris Bullock: How do you know that?

Alfredo Reinado: I know it, everybody know it because I have my eye.

Chris Bullock: You saw this?

Alfredo Reinado: Of course, or you can go to hospital. Why is in hospital the data about all these five dead people, the hospital didn't have it. My government didn't have that, my lawyers here didn't have that, because the Australians took them all, they want to hide this, things that can prove it and they are against the Geneva Convention and human rights in this country. And what happened to those dead bodies and what happen to those children who lost their father and those mothers who lost their children and those wife who lost their husband, who is responsible for that?

Chris Bullock: Given the reputation of the Australian SAS, people were very surprised that you walked away from there?

Alfredo Reinado: You see, different nature, different style. This is my home, if you visit me I tell you where is the toilet, where is the kitchen, not you to tell me. Imagine if I have the same technology that the Australians have in that time. They use 3 Hercules for those SAS parachute, and they using about 6 helicopter, you have 2 navy Chinook coming in the middle of the night, and you have all Blackhawk and the machine gun ...shhhhp ... you have the night vision everywhere, you have the special force in the ground, special force in the air, and I can get through your leg, shame. You lucky I'm not have the same system that you have. I wake you up in the bed, this is my nature not Australia, this is East Timor. Maybe they train to be a good military but we all born we already know what is the sound of the weapons, we already feel the bullet fly to our ear, so don't come here and do this thing to me.

Chris Bullock: Alfredo gets very worked up when talking about the battle at Same, going so far as comparing it to the Vietnam War ...

Alfredo Reinado: If Australian want to have a war in East Timor, if Australian government want to create a war in East Timor, if I am still alive I will bring this war back to Australia. This is not a Vietnam of Australia, so don't create that like the war they have in Vietnam. Whoever leading the nation and whoever leading the military at the time have the responsibility for the Same incident and one day will have to go to the tribunal. You see how you fight for your five dead in Balibo, we fight more than that, it is a matter of time to tell.

Chris Bullock: The Australian Defence Force has carried out what it calls a 'post-operation investigation' into the Same incident - an internal review - which cleared the Australian soldiers of wrong-doing. And the ADF says autopsies of the five dead men showed their necks were not broken.

Just before meeting Alfredo Reinado, I was in the town of Same with Late Night Live presenter, Phillip Adams. There we spoke with a witness to the assault on Alfredo's group.

Francisco Marcal knows Alfredo well, and his house is half-way down the hill where the operation took place. Francisco Marcal had a front row view, and he described it through our interpreter, Ceu ...

Francisco Marcal (interpreted): That evening on Saturday it was 1.55am when the helicopters, two helicopters approached the area. We heard the shooting start, we only heard it from Alfredo's side, not from the Australians weapons, because we knew they were silenced. The shooting went on until 4.30 in the morning, and only when the sun came up we heard people screaming here, saying oh there is dead people, and the injured people were screaming a lot, they said they were in pain, asking for people to come and look after the people in pain.

The first one to die we heard him screaming and we wanted to go and pick him up, but as we approached we had the forces facing us with the weapons and they said no, we don't want anybody here. While this person was screaming he had a phone so he rang Alfredo's group to say he had been hit and he was dying, so they rang me to say could I look and do something for this person. He said no, we tried but they don't allow us to approach, it is better you call the East Timor Red Cross. So they called the East Timor Red Cross but as they the troops just stopped them, so he screamed and then we heard silence and we found out he was dead. Then the forces were the ones who put them in the helicopter and took them to Dili or somewhere.

Phillip Adams: I must ask you this. Is Alfredo regarded by everyone here as a heroic figure or are some people angry with him because he brought violence to your community?

Francisco Marcal (interpreted): I can only speak about the population inside Same, because I haven't had time to go around on the outskirts to find out how people feel about Alfredo. So when he arrived here the population inside the city of Same thought he was a buffer zone from the problems in Dili to reach outside districts and, they knew his presence would stop other problems to get here because there was already an opposition in place. When he arrived in Same a big number of the population in the city greeted him and helped him with food, every time he came to Same.

Chris Bullock: The failure of the Same operation to capture Alfredo Reinado was a surprise and an embarrassment, for the East Timorese leadership, and for the ADF. And it emboldened Alfredo - giving him bragging rights.

More than six months later, the government and the President have called off the military pursuit and tried to re-engage Alfredo in talks.

But he still refuses to put down his weapon, and he mocks the notion that he is in hiding. He says he goes down to the capital, Dili, often ...

Alfredo Reinado: I can go to Dili any time I like.

Chris Bullock: Do you?

Alfredo Reinado: Why not, I always there. Sometimes go and have a fun, have a coffee. Why not that's my home. But did Alfredo cause any trouble anywhere, do anybody in this country come to you or come to president and say, 'Alfredo do this to me'? Or they come to them as a president and say 'thanks for Alfredo', and in their heart they also say that, thanks for Alfredo so they can have the success of the election in this country. Without me there will be trouble everywhere, without me people kill each other everywhere. I sacrifice my life for that, for my people to have their own democratic party and to have those politicians to have their happiness.

Chris Bullock: You can speak to me and the occasional journalist from the bush, from the mountains, from down by the sea, from wherever you are in East Timor ...?

Alfredo Reinado: Free country, this is democratic country they say.

Chris Bullock: But that's a very limited voice?

Alfredo Reinado: You have any trouble to bring you through here, only the distance but this is the condition of our nature.

Chris Bullock: Wouldn't you like to be able to say, 'come around to my house', in Same, in Suai, have a coffee ... not drive for six hours up into the mountains and ...?

Alfredo Reinado: Am I in the mountain, you see more people live up there in the mountain higher than me. You want me to order a pizza for you, I can order from here (laughs) or you want to have a cappuccino, I can have it up here. I have more better life up here and who those politician down there, because they scared, they threat, they always hide. I'm not, I'm a man that in a free life, free spirit in a free country, and I'm a military. This is my duty to be around everywhere in the jungle and everywhere in the village, and not like those military sitting in their office, all the time in the air condition while their own people killing each other outside, while the security in the country not being secure.

And Australians come here, have a nice swim and are driving around, I always see them, they didn't know who I am, they passing here with their own car, nice car, hire car and Landrover, everywhere they're always patrolling. Sometimes I'm passing, they're asleep inside their blanket, but they do their job, they're tired, they been driving around the country everywhere. I say hi, I hide my weapon and I pass through, see ya! They are not my enemy.

Chris Bullock: It can be a little difficult to work out who is Alfredo's enemy. The government is hoping time will be his enemy - that if a sense of stability returns along with some optimism, Alfredo will be lose his relevance. In the meantime they want to avoid giving him the oxygen of publicity, while trying to restart a dialogue.

When I suggest to Alfredo that the political environment has changed with the new government, he disagrees. He says Xanana Gusmao and Jose Ramos Horta have simply swapped chairs, and he seems less than impressed with President Horta's initiatives to negotiate a surrender ...

Alfredo Reinado: You say different, I say no, 50-50 ...

Chris Bullock: There is a different prime minister?

Alfredo Reinado: Of course, just changing that chair.

Chris Bullock: I think the change is that the government is taking a more conciliatory approach to you ... Xanana Gusmao as prime minister has set up a task force to deal with your issues, the president has asked a Timorese NGO and a Swiss based organisation to continue dialogue with you ... what more can the government do, the two leaders are coming very much towards you?

Alfredo Reinado: No, if you say a local NGO, it not exist, that group is created by us and I'm a part of it. And about the Geneva team that come in, they been getting 5 million dollars to pay for them to do this dialogue and the only thing they done is my meeting with the president, that's all.

Chris Bullock: That's pretty good, meeting the president, isn't it, on your terms on your ground?

Alfredo Reinado: It's good for me, or good for them?

Chris Bullock: I'm asking you?

Alfredo Reinado: I think it's good for them.

Chris Bullock: It's not good for you?

Alfredo Reinado: No. You don't know what happened in the country. Without me there is already a civil war. You see, where is the security that been provided by this government for the two processes that happened, election for president and election for parliament, which guarantee can they give? All the security is packed up in Dili, and crime in Dili they cant solve it until today, and they been using this bloody criminal, as they say, in propaganda everywhere in the campaign, they blame me that I'm the trouble maker in this nation.

What happen with those people using the politic difference to kill each other, did I ever make a vote for them.

Chris Bullock: Don't you want to be part of that political solution?

Alfredo Reinado: No.

Chris Bullock: Are you sure?

Alfredo Reinado: My duty as a military to guarantee the security and stability for my nation. That's my task, that's my job.

Chris Bullock: The principles about which you speak could best be applied in a political sense, surely?

Alfredo Reinado: What I'm saying being used by them for the political interest. They go there and they give a lot of promises to the people, if we win Alfredo will be like this ... and they guarantee, people vote them because of that. But after that, what happen now?

Chris Bullock: OK, tell me then exactly the circumstances, the conditions on which you place your willingness to put down you gun?

Alfredo Reinado: No, don't put this, why I have to put down the gun, put down the gun ...

Chris Bullock: Because that's what they're asking you to do?

Alfredo Reinado: Yeah they asking. If I put the gun down, they guarantee they can give the stability in the nation, they guarantee they can solve the crisis. I told them, not just the gun, if you want me dead I can guarantee you I go down in Dili in public, hang myself, if you guarantee the stability in this country. It is not a matter of weapon, I can have a nuclear weapon in my hand, it is a matter of what purpose do you use this weapon for, who holding it. I am trained to walk around with the weapon, but what about the others. So I put the weapon there, it solve the crisis? I give the weapon, solve the crisis? I can get another thousand from somewhere.

Chris Bullock: But Alfredo I'm asking you because that is their condition, correct?

Alfredo Reinado: Their own condition, not my condition ...

Chris Bullock: So is that condition ever going to change though, realistically?

Alfredo Reinado: If they want to solve the crisis they have to change, not go through what they want to.

Chris Bullock: OK, so what are you conditions then?

Alfredo Reinado: Condition. You fix the judicial sector.

Chris Bullock: This is Alfredo's main condition, now - fix the judicial sector. He says the legal system in East Timor has been corrupted by advisers, lawyers, and judges brought in from the Portuguese speaking countries - the group of nations known as the CPLP.

Alfredo says he cannot, and will not, trust them to give him a fair trial - he insists on having Timorese judges and prosecutors, operating under Timorese laws ...

Alfredo Reinado: Many of these people come from the CPLP countries, they are poor people, they unemployed people, come to work here with the high pay so they want to stay here even longer and play around with the judicial system because they make living with it. Those countries come here, Portuguese speaking countries that come here, mostly Angola, Mozambique, Brazilian, Portuguese, Guinea Bissau, all those poor Africans that until now they still kill each other, they have their dictator system ... and you have Portugal, they think they are somebody but they're the poorest country in Europe, and they have the most criminal in Europe, and they come here to implement this justice for us. We are the ones who suffer. If I have a judicial system of my country of East Timorese, the judge have to be Timorese, prosecutor have to be Timorese, everything have to be Timorese, under Timorese law, not by the CPLP.

Chris Bullock: The use of advisers, lawyers and others from the CPLP countries to rewrite laws in Portuguese, and to get the justice system up and running, has been controversial - especially with studies suggesting less than 10% of the population understands Portuguese, and even fewer can read it.

But Alfredo goes further. He says he will appear before a Timorese judge and a Timorese prosecutor, only if he is accompanied to the witness box by the political leaders, Xanana Gusmao, Jose Ramos Horta and Mari Alkatiri ... and the public prosecutor ... to answer for the events of the past 18 months ...

Alfredo Reinado: I go there voluntarily, but I not go alone, because those leaders have the responsibility also, to go one by one, and confess. Don't blame me. You think Mr Xanana innocent, Mr Ramos Horta innocent, Alkatiri innocent and his group innocent, you think prosecutor is innocent? So he thinks innocent we go there and answer one by one then.

Chris Bullock: Who is asking the questions though?

Alfredo Reinado: Ah ha, you ask them.

Chris Bullock: It seems your conditions either cannot be met, or will not be met?

Alfredo Reinado: Let the people decide then ...

Chris Bullock: How do the people decide on your position without you?

Alfredo Reinado: If this government can't solve this crisis maybe people can set a new government, if this judicial system can't be implemented, people can set the new judicial system. Ask the people, don't ask me. You go ask anyone, who is Alfredo and what does Alfredo do, what is Alfredo standing for.

Chris Bullock: Can you tell me where you think you will be in 6 months, or in 12 months time?

Alfredo Reinado: I will be alive and well in my country ... 6 months is not long for me, even six years, I'm OK.

Chris Bullock: How many people do you have with you, around you?

Alfredo Reinado: I can't count them, they are too much.

Chris Bullock: Do you think they have the same resolve that you have?

Alfredo Reinado: If I am not holding them, I don't know what happen in this country.

Chris Bullock: And if this government gains public popularity, if more and more people start to believe that this government is doing a good job, their policies are good, they're happy, there is stability ...?

Alfredo Reinado: If they can implement that I support them, I fully support them and I wish also they can do this, and that is why until today I didn't say anything, I always wait for the decision because they're promising a lot of things and they promise how to find a solution to solve this crisis and I trust in them, Mr President, to the prime minister, if they can do this thanks God!

Chris Bullock: And you're not concerned you'd be left behind?

Alfredo Reinado: Why I have to left behind. What I'm losing, I have nothing to lose. Day by day my number is counting up, day by day their time is counting down. So what I'm losing? If I die today or tomorrow, I'm die with smile, I'm proud of it. Don't worry about me, Alfredo is not hungry, not at all.

THEME

Chris Bullock: Coordinating Producer is Linda McGinness. Research, Anna Whitfeld. Technical Production by Mark Don. Background Briefing's Executive Producer is Kirsten Garrett. And I'm Chris Bullock.

PR Horta : Uluk Imi Fo Han Xanana Ohin Imi Rasik Tolok Nia

Edition: 08 November 2007

LAUTEM - “Lalika loro-loron halo deskursu tolok rahun heroi Nasional Xanana Gusmao, uluk ami iha liur, balu iha Mozambique, hau iha America, Xanana Gusmao iha imi nia let, imi mak fo han-hemu no subar nia, hamutuk ho Taur Matan Ruak, ho Lere, ho Nino Conis Santana. Ohin loron, imi tolok rahun nian,” deklara Prezidente Jose Ramos Horta wainhira halao dialogu ho komunidade Distritu Lautem iha Clube Lospalos, Segunda (5/11).

Horta dehan, sira mai husi liur, mai husi America ka mai husi nebee deit, idak-idak tenke hateten ba povu sira nia kontribusaun ba nasaun nee saida. Tenke halo relatoriu. Se povu Lospalos hakarak nia bele hamrik loron tomak ida semana tomak ida, esplika desde loron nebee nia sai husi Timor iha tinan 1975 ba Nova Yorke, ba Conseilu Seguransa, ba Asembleia Geral ONU iha Washington, ba Lisboa, ba Paris, ba Japaun, toba iha ema nia rai, toba iha ema nia kadeira, toba iha restorante laran, sira seluk mai esplika tok, tinan 24 nia laran sira halo saida.

Sira nebee kritika Xanana, kritika Ramos Horta, nia hakarak hatene, husu ba sira lider nee halo saida atu konese mundu nee. Sira halo relasaun ho amizade konfiansa ho lider mundu ida nebee.

“Lalika provoka hau, kuandu provoka demais hau sei koalia sai sira nia servisu durante sira hela iha liur,” Horta hateten.

Uluk Horta hatete kedas, la buka kadeira, i se nia halo buat ruma sala, ke inkonstitusional duni, se ohin Fretilin lori kazu nee ba Parlamentu, i parlamentu ba tribunal rekursu, i se tribunal deklara ke nia desizaun nee inkonstitusional, ohin duni nia hakerek surat ba konseilu estadu, parlamentu, hodi aprezenta ninia rezignasaun. Kuandu presidente Republika ida halo aktu inkonstitusional ida, nia labele kontinua tuur iha office, tanba nia lakon poder.

Nia parte mos husu ba politiku nain sira para kuandu atu koalia tenke sukat didiak ba sira nia liafuan, sekarik laiha inisiativa atu estraga nasaun nee.

“Hau husu ba politiku sira, ba lider politiku sira kuandu ita koalia sukat didiak liafuan sira, se ita lakoi estraga nasaun ida nee. Se lider Fretilin, Sr. Mari Alkatiri, sekertariu geral partidu Fretilin, se desizaun nebee Presidente Republica halo nee inkonstitusional tamba sa fulan tolu liu ona kestaun nee lalori ba tribunal rekursu, se inkonstitusional entaun lori ba tribunal rekursu, laiha tan mekanismu seluk,” Horta haktuir.

Presidente mos hatutan katak, nia rasik iha familia tolu mak mate tamba defende partidu Fretilin. Neduni, nia la haluha istoria Fretilin no aseita sira nebee iha ailaran durante tinan 24 nia laran. Respeita maun boot Xanana Gusmao, i sira seluk oras nee dadauk iha governu nia laran.

Nia mos husu ba partidu CNRT, i kolegasaun PD, PSD, ASDT, atu hatudu sira nia sentidu estadu ho militantes husi Fretilin. Se balu hatudu radikalismu entaun hasoru modernizasaun.

“Se ema balun hatudu radikalismu ba imi, imi hatudu modernizasaun , Se balun tolok imi, husu Nai Maromak fo tulun ba sira, sira tolok, imi tolok, imi hotu ba inferno. Hau husu ba imi, kolabora ho Administrador Distritu, Administrador Sub-Distritu, funsionariu estadu. Hau laran haksolok primeiro Ministro Xanana Gusmao hatete ona, sei halakon diskriminasaun, i hau halo apelu ba sira, servi estadu, laos servi partidu, laos servi AMP. Hau laran haksolok ke governu AMP, tau orsamentu boot iha tinan ida nee, liu-liu 2008, atu tulun vitima krize 2006, atu hahu ona tulun ba katuas ferik sira, faluk sira, tanba iha tinan 4 ou 5 nia laran, la halo ida nee.”

Nia mos husu ba povu tomak atu rekoinyese mos Dr. Mari Alkatiri nia kontribusaun ho nia kolega Dra. Ana Pessoa, no Ministru Agricultura Estanialau Aleixo da Silva, tanba sira fo kontribusaun makas ona ba dezenvolvimentu nasaun nee.

Horta mos dehan kuandu rona nia alin Fernando Lasama koalia, Mariano Sabino furak teb-tebes. Governu AMP iha obrigasaun liu fali primeiru governu konstitusional. Tanbasa? tanba primeiru governu konstitusional, hahu iha 2002 too 2004 la iha osan, ohin iha osan, iha lei atu kontrola, tanba nee Primeiro Ministru, Ministru sira tenke halo nasaun nee lao ba oin.

Horta mos rekonese katak primeiru governu konstitusional, hari estrutura estadu nian, sira halo lei, harii Administrasaun maske ladun diak, sei fraku tebes. Keta halo hanesan funsionariu hanesan uluk tempo Indonesia bolu bataliaun 745, tama tuku 7 asina too tuku 5 sai la ba servisu la halo buat ida.

Nia mos hatutan katak nia Programa seluk ida nebee nia promete ba tinan 2008 mak halo parlamentu Juventude.

Tuir observasaun STL nian hatudu katak maske iha demontrasaun husi movimentu Fretilin, maibe konsege hakalma husi siguransa nebee husi Police Militar, PNTL, Taks Forse, F-FDTL, UNPOL. Dialogu nebee hetan antisiasmu makaas husi populasaun nee, partisipa mos husi Komandante F_FDTL, PNTL, UNPOL, Administrador Distritu, Administrador Sub-Distritu, Padres, Madres, Profesores, estudante, no Sosiedade Sivil. mj3

Prostituisaun Estranjeiru Uza Visa Sala * Ukun Nain Balun Involve

Edition: 08 November 2007

DILI–Autoridade kompetente tenki fo atensaun makas ba hahalok restorante balu iha Dili laran, nebee halao aktividade dupla. Alein serbi han-hemu maibe mos aktivista sex komersiu, nebe lori feto prostituta barak mai husi estranjeiru ho visa turista iha TL.

“Nee hau hare tenki iha pasu konkretu ida husi ministeriu justisa ka liu-liu husi parte imigrasaun para atu cek didiak ema sira nee (prostituta –red) nia visa tama mai iha ita nia rai. Tanba dala barak feto estranjeiru sira nebe agora buka moris iha restorante iha Dili laran halo prostituisaun,” klarifika Deputada Virginia Ana Belo iha sesaun plenaria Parlamentu Nasional (PN), Kuarta (7/11).

Aktividade prostituisaun liu-liu mosu iha hotel ida besik Stadion Municipal Dili nia oin. Esperensia dala ida nee nia nain konvida membru PN sira ba iha fatin neba hodi deklara katak harii hotel para loke servisu ba feto TL no mos feto husi estranjeiru. Mas relaidade hatudu feto barak liu inporta mai husi estranjeiru i sira nia hatais laos hanesan ema servedor restorante, maibe sira hatais ropa badak (mini) nebee la susar hamosu interpretasaun negativu.

Tan nee husu ba meja ou liu-liu Komisaun A nebee kompetente iha area refere para cek didiak aktividade hotel bo-boot iha Dili laran, tanba iha oin hotel, maibe iha kotuk loke pratika prostituisaun.

Nia mos husu ba governu tenki pasa revista feto estranzeiru sira nia visa para bele identifika sira nia objetivu mai iha TL. Mai hanesan turista ka, mai atu halo negosiu. Ida nee presiza klarifikasaun ba publiku.

Praktika prostituisaun husi ema estranjeiru nee halo mos iha Bairro dos Grilos nebe iha uma oin loke salon maibe uma nia kotuk halo pratika prostituisaun. Nunee mos iha Bairro Formosa besik Centro nia oin nebe iha kombinasaun feto oan TL ho Indonesia.

Tuir Virginia, indikasaun nee, tanba feto sira iha neba hatais oin selu-seluk los no estraga mentalidade joventude nebe konsideradu futuru nasaun TL nian. Nunee mos iha joventude barak mak deskobre katak iha fatin sira nee bele uza feto sira nee ba vida sexual. Laos deit jovem, maibe ukun nain nasaun nee nian balun mos involve hamutuk iha vida ida nee.



Kria Lokalizasaun

Virginia mos suzere atu governu tenki kria lokalizasaun para akumula prostetuta sira iha fatin ida para governu bele kontrola no prevende moras HIV/AIDS. Hafoin buka dalan kria aktividade positivu hodi fasilita prosesu rehabilitasaun para feto sira bele fila moris normal. Tanba iha parte ida presiza ema hotu hatene katak feto sira nebee pasa vida prostitusaun iha TL mos selu taxa ba governu, signifika katak haboot income ba nasaun.

Razaun Virginia levanta kestaun nee iha plenaria ho intensaun atu fanu deputadu tomak nia konsiensia, liu-liu deputadu feto maluk nebe dala barak luta makas ba dignidade feto nian.tor

Kazu 25 Maiu 2006 Reis: Brigadiru Taur Hatene Dejarma PNTL

Edition: 08 November 2007

DILI- Eis Xefi Konseleru Formasaun Militar Nasoens Unidos (ONU), Koronel Fernando Reis, liu husi telekonferensia, Kuarta (07/11), deklara katak dezarmamentu nebee mak UNPol halo ba Polisia Nasional Timor Leste (PNTL) iha 25 Maiu 2006, iha akordu sezar fogu ho Brigadeiru Jeneral Taur Matan Ruak nomos iha kuinesimentu husi Koronel Lere Anan Timur.

“Momentu nee hau ho David Man mak ba hasoru Brigadeiru Taur hodi halo sezar fogu. Tanba hau hakarak lori PNTL ba iha Obrigado Barack, ho nunee Taur hatan hodi dehan tenki halo uluk dezarmamentu ba PNTL, se lae tiru sei la hapara,” deklara Koronel Reis ba prosesu kontinuasaun julgamentu kazu tiruteius membrus F-FDTL hasoru membrus PNTL iha edifisiu Ministeriu Justisa nia oin, 25 Maiu 2006.

Koronel Reis fo sasin liu husi telekonfrensia nebee halao iha aula World Bank, Licedere-Dili. Julgamentu nee diriji husi juiz kolektivu juiz prezidenti, Ivo Nelson Batista Rosa (Internasional) akompanha membru juiz rua, Vitor Hugo Pardal (Internasional) ho Antonino Goncalves (Nasional).

Aleinde nee sai nudar prokurador iha prosesu nee mak Bernardo Fernandes. Iha prosesu julgamentu nee arguido hamutuk 12 nee too iha World Bank ho kareta F-FDTL Polisia Militar (PM) no wainhira tama iha aula julgamentu laran akompanha kedan ho advogadu Arlindo Sanches, Tome Jeronimo no Jose Guterres. Arguidu husi F-FDTL tuir julgamentu telekonfrensia ho roupa militar kompletu, nunee mos ho arguidu ida husi PNTL mos uza nia farda PNTL ninian.

Sasin Koronel Reis nebee koalia husi Lisboa, Portugal, isplika katak momentu nee nia ho David Man halao hela patrolia no rona kilat tarutu, depois sira buka tuir no hatene katak kilat hirak nee tarutu tanba iha tiru malu entre F-FDTL ho PNTL iha area Kaikoli.

Ho nunee Koronel Reis ho David Man ba hasoru kedan Repezentante ONU iha TL, Sukehiro Hasegawa hodi husu autorizasaun para atu ba iha fatin akontesementu. No momentu nee Hasegawa aseita hodi haruka sira nain rua ba iha fatin nebee refere.

“Tanba hau mos iha kuinesmentu diak ho Brigadeiru Taur, entaun hau ho David ba hasoru kedan Brigadiru Taur iha Kuartel Jeral F-FDTL no momentu nee Koronel Lere Anan mos iha,” hatete Koronel Reis.

Wainhira koalia ho Brigadeiru Taur, hatete Reis katak tiru malu mos sei kontinua hela no nia ho Taur estabelese akordu sezar fogu ida tanba nia hakarak lori membrus PNTL ba iha Obrigado Barack.

“Iha kondisaun ba sezar fogu nee Taur husu para membrus PNTL sira tenki dezarma hotu mak lori sai husi Kuartel PNTL ba Obrigadu Barack, kuandu membrus PNTL kontinua kaer kilat, tiru husi FDTL sei la hapara. No Taur mos grantia katak ho sezar fogu sei la akontese buat ruma ba membrus PNTL. hafoin akordu nee mak hau ho David sai husi Kuartel FDTL ba iha PNTL,” isplika Reis.

Wainhira juiz klarifika katak iha deklarasaun Brigadeiru Taur nian katak la halo akordu ruma ho ONU, Koronel Reis hatan katak karik Brigadeiru Taur haluha tiha ona. Tanba momentu nee Taur mos hasoru problema nebee boot tanba nia uma mos hetan atake. Maibe kondisaun ba akordu sezar fogu nee koalia duni.

Hafoin too iha Kuartel PNTL, hatutan Koronel Reis, nia isplika ba membrus PNTL tomak atu hatama hotu kilat no pistola hodi nunee bele lao sai ba Obrigado Barack. Ho nunee membrus PNTL sira mos komesa halo lina no nia hare iha Estrada ninin iha soldade F-FDTL balu mak hamrik hela ho farda ho armamentu kompletu.

“Wainhira komesa lao sai, hau mak lao iha primieru hodi kaer bandeira ONU nian no kareta ONU ida lao uluk depois mak lina membrus PNTL lao tuir husi kotuk. Momentu lao nee hau hare elementu F-FDTL nain tolu hamrik iha estrada ninin no derepenti deit hau rona tiru mai iha lina membrus PNTL hodi halo lina PNTL namkari husi lina laran,” hatete Reis.

Ho asaun ida hanesan nee, hatutan Reis katak nia mos esforsu an hodi hakilar para hapara tiru maibe tiru kontinua nafatin no nia nafatin hakilar hodi hapara tiru, nebee mak tiru foin para.

Difisil Kuinese aAguidu

Liu husi telekonfrensia nee mos, Koronel Reis hatete katak nia defisil atu kuinese ho arguidu sira. Maibe momentu nee nia so kuinese deit forsa F-FDTL ida ho pangkat Maijor maibe nia la hatene nia oin tanba kleur ona.

Antes nee Ofisial ONU, Nuno Pasqual Anai, liu husi ninia deklarasaun iha juiz kolektivu nia oin deklara katak nia iha rekuinesementu konaba akordu nebee mak Brigadeiru Taur halo ho Komandante Reis no David Man para atu dezarma ofisial Polisia Nasional Timor Leste (PNTL)

Iha parte seluk, Komandante F-FDTL, Brigadeiru Jeneral Taur Matan Ruak, nebee fo ona ninia deklarasaun, Tersa (16/10), ba julgamentu kazu tiruteius nee katak nia nudar Komandante F-FDTL nunka halo akordu ida ho reprezentante ONU, Komandante Reis atu dezarma PNTL.

Komandante Taur hatete katak momentu nee nia so rona deit husi Koronel Reis katak PNTL atu rende no hakarak evakua ba Obrigado Barack, maibe laos akordu ida.

Prokurador akuza arguidu nain 12 nee ho artigu 338 Kodegu Penal (KUHP) konaba oho ema ou hasai ema nia vida ho mos artigu ida konaba percobaan pembunuhan nebee ninia pena prizaun tinan 5 ba leten.

Tuir Juiz Prezidenti Ivo Rosa nebee mak lee akuzasaun prokurador nian nee isplika katak arguidu 11 husi F-FDTL no ida husi PNTL tuir akuzasaun involve iha insidenti 25 Maiu 2006 nebee membrus F-FDTL tiru membrus PNTL iha Kaikoli, edifisiu Ministeriu Justisa nia oin. No momentu nee membrus PNTL nebee iha lina laran hamutuk 103 nee UNOTIL dezarma tiha sira ninia kilat.

Husi insidenti 25 Maiu 2006 nee halo membrus nain 8 mak mate hanesan Thomas Alfredo Araujo, Martinho Almeida Falcao, Santiago do Rego, Manuel Amaral, Mario da Costa, Domingos Guterres, Paulo da Costa ho Pascoal Hornai.

Too agora nee iha ona testamuna hamutuk 100 mak tribunal Distrital Dili rona ba prosesu kazu julgamentu tiruteius membrus F-FDTL hasoru membrus PNTL. Tribunal sei rona akuzasaun no esepsaun ikus husi Prokurador no Defensor. arm

Major Alfredo Husu Puvu Hakmatek* Ba Ponta Leste

Edition: 08 November 2007

MANUFAHI – Major Alfredo Reinado Alves husu ba povu atu hakmatek hodi hein prosesu dialogu nebee mak atu trasa dau-daun ona iha tenpu badak.

Atu hakat ba dialogu, Major Alfredo promete atu tuun ba distritu hotu-hotu, inklui distritu Ponta Leste (Viqueque, Baucau no Lautem) hodi sosializa ba povu para tuur hakmatek hodi hein prosesu dialogu.

“Hau iha responsabilidade moral atu tuun ba distritu hotu-hotu hodi sosializa para sira bele tuur hakmatek hodi hein prosesu dialogu,” dehan Alfredo ba STL ho Radio Komunidade iha Manufahi, Same, Sesta (2/11).

“Ema sira nebee maka hakarak soran imi, fo osan ho tua para imi hemu halo buat sira nee, sira nee maka ema aat. Lakohi estabilidade iha ita nia rain.”

Alfredo grantia ba ekipa Task Force nebee governu harii nee iha duni responsabelidade boot atu fo demokratiku lolos ba rai ida nee. “Komprimisu boot ida nee hau maka sei tuun rasik u ba distritu no instituisaun hotu-hotu para bele fo grantia buat ida ita dehan sosializasaun ba ita Timor oan hotu para bele hakmatek hodi fo tempu mai ami para hodi diskoti buat nee tuir nia dalan los.”

Nia dehan, nudar militar, nia iha obrigasaun atu servi rai no povu ida nee hodi grantia lori paz nee tama uma sai uma. No nia garante mos katak nia sei lori hikas maluk refusiadu sira fila ba ida-idak nia horik fatin.

“Ita tenki moe, ita sai refusiadu iha ita nia rain rasik iha tan capital Dili (ibu kota negara) I buat idake keleur ona la rezolve. Pior liu tan, ema balun uza fali refusiadu sira hanesan buat bisnis, nunee mos Internasional sira uza fali krizi nee hanesan lahan bisnis ida,” Alfredo dehan.

Liu tan, nia apela ba joventude hotu atu pasensia (sadar) hodi hare didiak ba evolusaun politika nebee iha hodi la bele sai fali material (alat) ba ema seluk nia interese politiku hodi hetan kadeira. Tanba nee, Timor oan tenki hadomi malu, paz malu, hela ho dame, respeita malu. Lalika todu malu lori fali Artimartiais (perguruan) para sobu Timor oan rasik.

Tuir nia, hahalok violensia tenki hakribit ona hodi harii unidade lolos para granti fali paz iha nasaun nee. Needuni, ba jovemtude ho maluk intlektuais sira, liu-liu ba maluk sarjanah super mie sira, atu kria paz no unidade iha futuru. Paz la iha, maka nakukun sei falun joventude nia futuru.

“Hau fiar katak imi sei lori nasaun nee ba oin. Ba joventude 13 distritu hadomi malu ba, haluha sai vitima ba ema seluk nia intrese, tanba ita Timor ida deit so Timor ho Timor maka bele rezolve problema Timor,” Alfredo hatutan.gus

Timor: Conselho Segurança ONU vai enviar delegação ao país

O Conselho de Segurança das Nações Unidas anunciou hoje que vai enviar uma delegação a Timor-Leste no final de Novembro para reafirmar o seu compromisso em prol de um país soberano e de uma estabilidade a longo prazo.

Numa carta enviada ao secretário-geral da ONU, Ban Ki-moon, hoje divulgada, o Conselho de Segurança refere que aprovou o envio de uma delegação a Timor-Leste, entre 24 a 30 de Novembro.

Composta por sete pessoas, a delegação, liderada pelo embaixador da África do Sul na ONU, Dumisani Kumalo, é constituída por representantes da China, Estados Unidos, Indonésia, Congo e Eslováquia.

Segundo a carta, a missão terá como objectivo reafirmar «o compromisso (do Conselho de Segurança) em prol da soberania, independência, integridade territorial e união nacional de Timor-Leste, além da promoção da estabilidade a longo prazo do país».

A delegação vai ainda incentivar o governo, o parlamento, os partidos políticos e a população de Timor-Leste a continuarem com o diálogo político e a consolidarem a paz, a democracia, o Estado de direito e a reforma da segurança.

Diário Digital / Lusa

06-11-2007

Aussie soldier dies in Timor barracks

Tuesday, 6 November, 2007

An investigation has been launched into the death of an Australian soldier in East Timor, who died from a gunshot wound in his barracks.

The circumstances of the soldier's death on Monday in the East Timorese capital Dili remain unclear.

Australian Defence Force (ADF) chief Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said the solder was found on Monday afternoon.

"The soldier has died of a gunshot wound while in a barracks area," he said in a statement.

"The circumstances of the incident are still uncertain and will be formally investigated."

Air Chief Marshal Houston said the loss was a tragedy.

"Any death of an ADF member is a tragic and sad loss for the entire ADF community," he said.

"The soldier's next of kin have been informed and our priority is to ensure the family is receiving the support and care they need."

Defence is considering arrangements for the soldier's repatriation.

Full investigation

Air Chief Marshal Houston said a full investigation into the death would be conducted by staff of the Australian Defence Force Investigative Service.

A formal chief of defence force commission of inquiry will also be conducted.

In December last year the federal government introduced laws creating the commissions of inquiry and making them mandatory for all deaths in service and all suicides by ADF members.

The probe will be presided over by a civilian with judicial experience.

The changes were part of an overhaul into the military justice system and came amid controversy over the findings of a military inquiry into the death of Private Jake Kovco, who was shot in the head with his own gun while in his Baghdad barracks in April last year.

The inquiry found Pte Kovco fatally shot himself in the head while "skylarking" with his gun.

The unnamed soldier is the third Australian serviceman to die on active overseas service in recent weeks.

On October 8, Trooper David Pearce was killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan, while late last month Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment Sergeant Matthew Locke was shot dead by the Taliban, also in Afghanistan.

The soldier who died in Dili was part of the International Stabilisation Force in East Timor.

There are about 850 ADF deployed in East Timor as part of the ISF, which involves around 20 nations.

They are working with the United Nations to help provide law and order in East Timor, which was wracked by violent riots last year.

Source: AAP

Recolha de livros para Timor e S. Tomé

2007-11-05
Até ao final do mês de Novembro está a decorrer uma campanha de recolha de livros para Timor Leste e S. Tomé e Príncipe.
A iniciativa está a ser organizada pelo Núcleo de Estudos Literários e Artísticos (NELA) e pelo Gabinete Cultural da Escola Superior de Educação do Instituto Politécnico do Porto.

A campanha, de acordo com a nota enviada à comunicação social, pretende possibilitar "o conhecimento e divulgação da língua portuguesa e das literaturas que a utilizam". Os volumes terão como destino a biblioteca da escola portuguesa em Díli (ainda em formação) e instituições de solidariedade social em S. Tomé e Príncipe.

Os organizadores referem que podem ser entregues, até ao dia 30 de Novembro, na Secretaria da Escola Superior de Educação do Porto, livros novos ou em segunda mão. Embora não se estabeleçam critérios para as áreas temáticas, apela-se, sobretudo, à oferta de exemplares dedicados à literatura para a infância e juventude.

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Livros para a Biblioteca de uma Escola em Timor Leste

A história conta-se rapidamente. Um email de uma escola em Timor Leste, "com quase dois mil alunos e com uma biblioteca cujas prateleiras se encontram ainda vazias". Uma professora de História e Filosofia da Educação que, nesse ano lectivo de 2002-03, tem (não por acaso) um grupo de alunos a trabalhar sobre o papel da biblioteca na escola. A decisão de propor a esses alunos uma recolha de livros para enviar à dita escola timorense. A aceitação entusiasta da ideia, não apenas por aquele grupo de alunos mas por todos os alunos da turma de História e Filosofiada Educação. A elaboração expedita de cartazes e a sua afixação nas paredes da FCUL. A distribuição de caixotes para recolha de livros em lugares devidamente assinalados. A conjugação de boas vontades. A alegria de poder contribuir, ainda que muito modestamente, para superar um caso de flagrante injustiça face à Ideia de Escola que, secretamente, vai alimentando a nossa vida nas manhosas escolas que temos.
Neste Natal vamos ajudar a biblioteca de uma escola em Timor Leste

Fugitive Reinado slams 'corrupt' international judges

East Timor's rebel leader Alfredo Reinado is demanding the removal of international judges before he hands himself over to police.

Reinado has been on the run with a group of armed supporters since he escaped from Dili's jail more than a year ago.

He still faces a murder charge over his role in last year's violent crisis.

The rebel leader has told Radio National's Background Briefing program he will not surrender while East Timor's court system is corrupted by judges and lawyers from other countries.

"Those countries come here, the Portuguese speaking countries, mostly Angola, Mozambique, Brazilian, and Portuguese," he said.

"All those poor Africans that until now they still kill each other, they have their dictator system. And you have Portugal, they think they are somebody, but they're the poorest country in Europe."

GNR promove campanha para crianças timorenses

2007-11-02
A Guarda Nacional Republicana lança a campanha "Uma criança um sorriso em Timor", a nível nacional, onde recolhe brinquedos, roupa e livros para os distribuir no Natal às crianças timorenses, disse à Lusa fonte do Comando Geral.
A recolha dos bens vai ter lugar nos dias 6 e 7 e vai decorrer junto das escolas do segundo e terceiro ciclo a nível nacional.
A "família da Guarda" também se associa a este evento, já que "os filhos dos militares vão contribuir" com materiais didácticos para a campanha, explicou à agência Lusa, o tenente Nogueira.
Os brinquedos e demais bens recolhidos são transportados para Timor pela transportadora DHL, que se "associou à campanha sem qualquer custo", explicou o oficial.
As crianças timorenses vão receber a contribuição nacional nos dias 24 e 25 de Dezembro, das mãos dos militares do sub-agrupamento Bravo, que prestam serviço naquele território.
A recolha é promovida pela Guarda Nacional Republicana com o apoio de várias instituições e empresas, como a TMN e a Delta, explicou à Lusa o oficial responsável pela iniciativa, tenente Nogueira.

Lusa

Portugal diz que avançará com acordo ortográfico

Sábado, 03/11/2007

Lisboa - Portugal vai aprovar o protocolo modificativo do acordo ortográfico de língua portuguesa até o final deste ano, garantiu nesta sexta-feira o ministro português das Relações Exteriores, Luís Amado.

Em conversa com jornalistas no intervalo da 12ª reunião do Conselho de Ministros da Comunidade dos Países de Língua Portuguesa (CPLP), que ocorre em Lisboa, Amado adiantou que os demais países que também ainda não o fizeram se comprometeram a ratificá-lo "rapidamente".

Em princípio, a ortografia comum da língua portuguesa já poderia entrar em vigor, porque três dos oito países lusófonos - Brasil, Cabo Verde e São Tomé e Príncipe - já ratificaram o acordo e também o protocolo modificativo ao acordo.

Aprovado em 2004, o protocolo modificativo permite que o acordo vigore com a ratificação de apenas três países da CPLP, sem a necessidade de aguardar que todos os outros membros da organização adotem o mesmo procedimento.

Segundo Luís Amado, nas discussões efetuadas esta manhã no Conselho de Ministros da organização lusófona, os representantes de Angola, Guiné-Bissau e Moçambique também garantiram que os dois documentos serão ratificados em breve. Timor Leste ainda não solicitou formalmente a adesão ao acordo.

Tecnicamente, segundo o secretário-executivo da CPLP, Luís Fonseca, o acordo ortográfico já está em vigor, uma vez que bastava, para tal, a ratificação de apenas três países.

Luís Fonseca e Luís Amado, ladeados pela presidente do Conselho de Ministros da organização, a chefe da diplomacia guineense, Maria Filomena Nobre Cabral, afirmaram também que o reforço da expansão do uso da língua portuguesa é uma das prioridades da CPLP ao longo do próximo ano.

lusa

Timor: ISF admite que soldado disparou no campo de refugiados

As Forças de Estabilização Internacionais (ISF) admitiram hoje que um soldado «disparou a sua espingarda» no campo de refugiados do aeroporto de Díli, onde um timorense foi ferido a tiro ao final do dia.

«Esta tarde, aproximadamente às 16:50» (07:50 em Lisboa), soldados australianos das ISF «responderam a distúrbios no campo de deslocados adjacente ao aeroporto de Díli», declarou à Agência Lusa o porta-voz do contingente, o tenente-coronel Robert Barnes.

«Durante o distúrbio, um grande número de pessoas envolveram-se numa luta à pedrada», acrescentou o porta-voz das ISF.

«Enquanto ajudava a Polícia das Nações Unidas na sua tentativa de dispersar a multidão, um soldado das ISF identificou uma pessoa apontando um dardo de fabrico caseiro às tropas das ISF».

«Estes dardos são letais», sublinhou o porta-voz.

«Observando a ameaça directa para ele e para os colegas, o soldado das ISF disparou a sua espingarda contra a pessoa que fazia pontaria com o dardo».

«As ISF têm conhecimento de notícias que referem que uma pessoa do campo de deslocados foi levada para o hospital com ferimentos que mostram ter sido causados por um tiro de espingarda», refere o mesmo porta-voz numa resposta escrita às questões da Lusa.

As ISF «operam sob regras de envolvimento muito estritas, que permitem aos soldados defenderem-se, bem como a outras pessoas que eles tenham recebido ordens de proteger».

Esta mesma resposta, para o mesmo tipo de incidente, foi repetida pelas ISF na sequência de uma intervenção militar no mesmo campo junto ao aeroporto, em Março, de que resultou a morte de dois deslocados.

Diário Digital / Lusa

31-10-2007

Timor-Leste: UNDP offers new beginning to survivors of 'Black September'

By Sammy Mwiti, Communications Officer.

Speaking in a slow, labored and sad voice, Mr. Jorge Lafu, a native of Nibin village, Oesillo sub-district of Oecessi recounts the psychological impact of the infamous 1999 massacre on his community.¬ "We were terribly traumatized," he says, referring to the incident on 8th September 1999, or the so called "Black September" when in an unprecedented orgy of terror and destruction, Pro-Indonesian militias killed 82 people in the area, days after the announcement of the referendum results which overwhelmingly favored the independence vote. Among the first victims was his village chief, Mr. Armando Sani. It's a loss he says, the community finds very difficult to cope with, because it shattered lives and livelihoods forever.

But courtesy of support provided by UNDP, Jorge is now at the forefront of a comprehensive recovery and post-conflict reconstruction effort which when fully accomplished, may offer a case study in strategic nation-building. Jorge is a Community Activation Facilitator (CAF), one of 18 employed under the Oecussi Community Activation Programme (OCAP) of UNDP. It is a project that blends elements of innovative farming technology, community mobilization techniques and micro-credit enterprises to facilitate sustainable development in a territory blighted by chronic poverty, social injustice and geographic isolation. Oecussi with an estimated 64,000 population is the poorest of the 13 districts in the country, rating the lowest in attainment of Millennium Development Goals, and other indicators. An enclave that's not easily accessible from the mainland by land or sea, it poses a communications nightmare to hordes of development workers based in the area and other personnel.

The EURO 3.3 million European Commission funded five-year project which ends in 2009 emphasizes on building institutions for the poor. Community facilitators like Jorge who have varied working experience have been instrumental in establishing a record 241 Self Help Groups (SHG) so far, responsible for a wide array of socio-economic activities ranging from vegetable production and block demonstrations to seed multiplication as well as well variety selection programmes. Also incorporated are sloping agricultural land technology (SALT) and drip irrigation techniques.

Among the chief OCAP counterparts are the Office of the Secretary of State for Oecussi (SOS), District Programme Working Committee and the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries and Ministry of Development. "Our approach is fairly simple," explains Mr. Jaiswal Jitendra, the agricultural specialist for OCAP. "The groups provide training and experimental opportunities where the members are exposed to improved farming techniques. They also receive tools, seeds and fertilizers." Jaiswal, as he is better known, comes from Nepal where he honed his skills before joining the UNDP's United Nations Volunteers (UNV) Programme. He has been based in Oecussi for two years and speaks the Timor-Leste's national language Tetum, fluently.

"From the group, individuals replicate the practices in their own gardens and villages, creating a multiplier effect" relates Jaiswal. The group membership is roughly a dozen each. Through the group, members can also avail savings and credit facilities, he says. They can equally explore commercial or large-scale farming. "I would like other people especially women to visit us and learn from our success," Mrs. Maria Bana 20, remarks. She is a member of the "Tetebau" group in Bobocase village, which specializes in vegetable cultivation. "I will continue being a member of this group because it is beneficial to me. I can work here and earn some money to support my family." The group concept has been useful in promoting peace and reconciliation, reckons Mrs. Merita De Jesus Marques, a Council of State member to the President's Office who is also the Coordinator of OCAP's Community Development Fund (CDF), the avenue for communities to propose community development projects. "By coming together as a group, people are able to deal with the trauma of the past collectively," she says, noting that increased work and income generating opportunities tend to create a sense of healing, a catharsis of sorts.

It's not all been smooth-sailing, however. Poor skills (especially in rural agriculture) at the local level coupled with weak coordination mechanisms and a poor infrastructure, marketing and communication network have played havoc with some of the plans, leading to delays in implementation. Pests have also proved to be a real nuisance, defying frequent attempts to eradicate them scientifically. Other problems are of a technical nature. "It must be recognized that once SHGs are established, the programme also creates high expectations from the community SHGs," notes Mr. Koen Walter Toonen, OCAP Chief Technical Advisor, in a recent report. "Sometimes they expect financial inputs for savings and/or credit, or equipment but certainly continuous support particularly in opening up markets for their products." Hoping to capitalize on the area's potential, two new micro-finance organizations the Moris-Rasik and IMfTL opened new branches in Oecusse recently. Contending that it is of "utmost importance" that these microfinance institutions succeed, Koen cites experience from other countries, saying if microfinance organizations are not able to financially break even, "a potential collapse of the organization puts poor people into debt or at least leads them to lose savings." Meanwhile Jorge Lafu sees the increasing popularity of the self-help groups as evidence of a new awakening, which augurs well for the future. "I have received requests from 20 people seeking learn from our example, and establishing their own groups," he says adding, "people are keen to rebuild their lives and they view the groups as promising, as a fresh start. That is very good," he says.

Timor-Leste: Acordo fronteiriço com a Indonésia até Janeiro

Os ministros dos Negócios Estrangeiros de Timor-Leste, Zacarias da Costa, e da Indonésia, Hassan Wirajuda, anunciaram hoje em Jacarta a assinatura de um acordo fronteiriço entre os dois países até Janeiro.

Hassan Wirajuda explicou à imprensa, após um encontro bilateral, que os dois vizinhos concordaram em cerca de 97 por cento do traçado da fronteira terrestre.

«Precisamos de intervenção política porque algumas fronteiras exigem mais do que uma abordagem apenas jurídica. Mas concordámos em finalizar as negociações até Janeiro», explicou o chefe da diplomacia indonésia.

Hassan Wirajuda acrescentou que Timor-Leste e a Indonésia iniciarão negociações sobre as fronteiras marítimas logo que as fronteiras terrestres estejam definidas.

O anterior traçado de fronteiras entre Timor-Leste e a Indonésia remonta à época colonial e ao acordo e decisão arbitral, em 1904 e 1915, entre Portugal e a Holanda.

Hassan Wirajuda referiu esses acordos entre potências coloniais que, em alguns casos, foram contrariados localmente por práticas tradicionais.

O último ponto onde não havia acordo político sobre a definição da fronteira de Timor-Leste e Indonésia foi ultrapassado a 05 de Junho último, em Jacarta.

Nessa reunião participaram o então primeiro-ministro timorense, José Ramos-Horta, actual Presidente, e o chefe de Estado indonésio, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, encontro em que a delimitação de fronteiras ocupou o centro da agenda.

Os dois países tinham anunciado já um acordo político sobre duas pequenas porções de território no enclave de Oécussi, onde Jacarta e Díli propõem que os direitos de soberania sejam conciliados com direitos de utilização pelas populações locais, explicou José Ramos-Horta à Lusa.

Um dos locais situa-se no sub-distrito de Passabe, num terreno onde há hortas de camponeses indonésios.

«A Indonésia reconhece este pedaço de território como sendo de soberania de Timor-Leste, mas desde 1962 que o terreno está ocupado por agricultores indonésios», disse, em Jacarta, o Presidente José Ramos-Horta, à Agência Lusa, durante a sua visita oficial.

Uma situação semelhante, e também relativa a uma área «de um campo de futebol», acontece com o ilhéu de Fatu Sinai, território da Indonésia que é usado há várias gerações pelos timorenses de Oécussi para a realização de cerimónias tradicionais.

Na reunião de Junho em Jacarta, ficou definido que, sem disputar a soberania da Indonésia sobre o ilhéu, um acordo posterior deixará assegurados os direitos de utilização das populações timorenses.

«Existe essa solução entre a Indonésia e a Malásia e entre o Iémen e a Eritreia, por exemplo. Foi uma solução semelhante» que o Presidente timorense propôs, assegurou o chefe de Estado indonésio.

Diário Digital / Lusa

30-10-2007